Curse

Zipster · Dec 08, 2006, 06:44 AM // 06:44

I too have completed hundreds (5mil exp worth) of farming runs and have never seen a coldie drop an ecto. Just a pain in a$$.

Nice guide thou.

Kryth · Dec 08, 2006, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

A Whammo with Mending is doing something effective... gg.

That's how I'd describe the UW warrior as well, nice one.

@ Zeph: you are not trolling at all, I hear your skepticism its normal as we all kill monsters in UW for ectos don't we ? ^_^ As for Coldfire Ecto drops, I confirmed it with Sapphire that they drop ectos. Altho I haven't seen them drop ectos myself for a long time, Sapphire (my companion if u already don't know) says he has seen a Cold drop ecto. I will definitely post a screenie if I see it happenin.

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Originally Posted by Koning

Ok first of all, nice guide!
Altough I don't like the idea of a 55 warrior (a warrior does not excist to be 55 but to have high armor) it seems to work pretty good (haven't done it myself). The warrior has a pretty big damage output @ 16 weapon mastery so he seems to do fine as damage dealer.

But

I think a necro is alot better @ killing the enemies you encounter here. I know, the ss necro wouldn't do any good at the smites. Thats why spoil victor is our new best friend. 105 dmg each hit (1.33 sec), that's a bit more than our friend Warrior can produce. not to mention other spells the necro can bring to speed things up (some touching, AtB etc).
The necro can also put a lot attribute points in curses to bring spells to cause even more damage (IP for example).

Thing is, if you don't want the melee enemies to flee (when there are more than 3 on you) you need to keep attacking them. If you don't do that, melee enemies in a big aggro flee. (at least, this was my conclusion after some farming with SV). So you gotta cast Spoil on a smite, and than keep hitting him with your sword/axe/wand till he's dead (sometimes casting other spells on him). this way enemies in big aggroes dont flee, otherwise they will.
It takes a bit longer to kill a whole group cause you need to wait till 1 is dead, but eh.. with Spoil Victor an aatxe is dead is about 10 hits and smites even faster!
ofcourse against ranged enemies and 3 or less groups you can cast spoil on all targets without causing them to flee.

So what would be your set up:
N/Mo
Blood 16
Curse 10-12 or only 3 if you don't decide to bring any curse spells
Protection 9 (or more if you don't use points in curse)
soulreaping rest

Spoil Victor
Insidious parasite
Vampiric touch
Vampiric bite
Balthazar spirit
Essence Bond (yes 2 essence bonds stack the last time i tried it)
Protective spirit
Rebirth (you can change it with other skills as the monk decides not do die

)

Well, your monk would look something like the ones already posted
16 heal
some divine

Mending
Watchfull spirit
Healing Breeze
Vigorous spirit
Essence bond
Both visages
Ressurrection chant

Obsidian behemoth's and other UW scum should also fall quickly to this team (warrior faces blind and whirling defense, necro can ignore this, its also easy to dodge the mealstorms, coldfires should be dead in only 1 spoil so dont worry about nrg)

Than again, we need to ask ourselves who will be tanking, cause this can also be done in the old 55 mo/w (still one of the best ways) and n/me Spoil victor way (true, no unlimited rez but you shouldn't even be dying in a smite run). The necro only needs to make sure to call his Spoil in groups of 3+ so the monk can quickly press t and attack that target till it's dead, to prevent fleeing. Altough the smites would probably take more effort since SV and AV need to be up all the time, which is maybe a bit heavy to do for necro without essence bond.

I haven't tried it out too much, but you guys asked for tweaked build

I think R Langdon has a satisfactory answer to that, altho I have some other reasons why I don't prefer Spoil Victor. Firstly this build is very user friendly, that is, it's available even with Prophecies only skills. Secondly I don't think Obsidian Behemoth's can be killed with Spoil Victor. Reason is that they don't really attack you until their energy depletes, which happens rarely since they have a lot of expertise. And laying traps dosen't even trigger Spoil Victor. Lets say they did attack, having recieved damage, they'll use Healing Spring which will overlap the damage caused by Spoil Victor imo. On top of all these, me and Saph are now working on Bone Pits farming, and the Spoil Victor necro cannot cope with that process I'm guessing. Believe me tho, I'm ALL in favor of Necromancers since my main character is one (day one necro). And I'm glad they can still pull it off with Spoil Victor but its just not as versatile as a 55 Wammo, unbelievable but thats the truth.

Plus it's always good to have diffirent classes available for UW farming, and make it available as much as possible. I myself haven't tried SpVic build yet, and I'm dying to get the opportunity, still this will be my main farming build for it has more access to the areas in UW.

Edit: We didn't create this to be a rival build to Spoil Victor build, its just a build on its own, ppl who want Spoil Victor use SpVic, who want to use this, use this.

We ain't competing.

Koning · Dec 08, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

spoil victor will take forever at the smites

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Ofcourse it's not as fast as Spitefull Spirit, but this might be the one of the best new alternatives. As far as I know you can cause the highest damage on a single target with this spell. A smite will be dead in about 10 secs, or even faster. So the time lost is minimal. For example a group of 5 smites shouldn't take more than a minute, given that sv+av are up all the time.

EDIT I just went down to UW (again), and killing enemies is really fast. Aatxes are dead in 10 secs, and smites even faster (they were dead before Spoil recharged, which is 10 sec) Groups won't flee if you keep attackin the spoiled target. like i said, in groups of 3 or less you can spoil every target without fleeing.
Didn't reach the behemoth's cause my m8 needed to go, but I don't think they wouldn't be a big problem. Never heard of interrupting the healing spring? I know, whirling defense sucks but it has a 60 sec recharge. So if your hits miss the first time he uses it, the next time he won't be able to use hs if you wand him. together with awaken the blood spoil = 115 damage. count some more dmg spells in (i was tank, and brought with me vampiric touch = 83 dmg and siphion to degen him a bit and let yourself live, this might replace HB on monk, and there are more spells)

Madical · Dec 08, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

im pretty sure w/mo is still faster vs darknesses and smites
smites go down in 4-6 hits with frenzy on (less than 10 seconds)
let say u do 115 dammage with spoil, axe warrior does 70 on aatxe every 0.80secs, in the long run we do more dammage and kill faster

Koning · Dec 08, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

hmm guess im going w/mo than tonight

Jeremy Untouchable · Dec 08, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

i cant wait to try this, i have a spare suit of glads armor as well

Jeremy Untouchable · Dec 08, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

lag post, srry

r4z0rlike · Dec 08, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

1 Question, has anyone tried to change the Warrior/Monk for a Dervish/Monk?
Because of the DP, you can get the 130 hp of the dervish to 20 with enough DP? Sorry if this is just a mad brainstorm

Kryth · Dec 08, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

^ Warrior can lower HP to 15-25

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let say u do 115 dammage with spoil, axe warrior does 70 on aatxe every 0.80secs, in the long run we do more dammage and kill faster

I think Nec kills aatxes faster but I also think warrior kills the rest faster. But like I said we are not here to compare nor compete.

SaphireIce · Dec 09, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Well, cold fires and ecto. The matter is, I remember they poop me an ecto once or twice.
But let me say, since I'm either drinking or stoned while in uw, even a cold fire dropping an ecto seems like an urban legend to me lately. They might drop, they might not. But we kill, they die. They drop things, even money. That's all that matters.

You guys get the point. Kill for loot! Whether it's ecto or not.
Afterall, aren't we all in uw, since the game changed its name for us from GW to UW and that we have nothing better to do -_-?
(btw, the friend sleeping there behind my chair, just gave his soul away with that weird sound..wtf!?) O_o

Edit: Since Kryth is not around all the time, you guys can whisper me for a run. If he's not around, and if I'm boring my ass off in toa.. -_-"
(Dude! Goddamn exams I say!)

Kryth · Dec 09, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Conclusion : Spoil Victor Spreads.

I tested it, 3 times, and it spreads unfortunately. Unfortunately I say, cuz its a lot faster with the Aatxes. (altho same with smites, even a tad slower but it's totally possible to overlook that.)

Koning · Dec 09, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Kryth

Conclusion : Spoil Victor Spreads.

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Originally Posted by Koning

Thing is, if you don't want the melee enemies to flee (when there are more than 3 on you) you need to keep attacking them. If you don't do that, melee enemies in a big aggro flee. (at least, this was my conclusion after some farming with SV). So you gotta cast Spoil on a smite, and than keep hitting him with your sword/axe/wand till he's dead (sometimes casting other spells on him). this way enemies in big aggroes dont flee, otherwise they will.

So keep hitting smites with you weapon and they won't spread (the tank needs to do this)

Kryth · Dec 09, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Koning

So keep hitting smites with you weapon and they won't spread (the tank needs to do this)

Exactly! A mad DPS machine warrior tank with a big mean axe

and seriously, Spoil Victor only complicates things. If the tank must attack, have him as Warrior, so everyone will be doing his own job.

Koning · Dec 09, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Ok, i've never questioned the power of the warrior so I will probably try this out soon (when i buy 55 armor for my warrior)

btw, would this be faster if we go with sword?
silverwing, galrath, standing, final thrust and dragon slash
I dunno, I haven't tried it out, altough the deep wound from everiscate is very nice

Arrows[PURE] · Dec 09, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

could u not take out a skill, im not sure what, and put in shield of absorbtion so warrior takes 5 less dmg, making it 0 dmg and only degen that can kill him?

Kryth · Dec 09, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

@ Koning: I think it can be done with Sword, but not with Final Thrust, it makes you lose all adrenaline. I was thinkin something like, Dragon - Sun and Moon - Sever + Gash. Gotta have Deep Wound. It'd be good with a constantly charged Dragon Slash.

@ Arrows[PURE] : Ahm , no need for damage reduction, as it is already reduced by the help of DP, but if it makes you feel comfortable sure why not.

Koning · Dec 10, 2006, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Hmm, when i'm spider farming I also go with flail and a chain of adrenaline skills+final thrust. I'm kinda used to it now, just make sure you use final thrust as all other adrenaline skills are used (so you will not loose many adrenaline) and refresh flail b4 you use it.

Mera Regila · Dec 10, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

No elite on the monk? Why not use Unyielding Aura in place of Rebirth, that way if the warrior died more than once you could still res him. Then maybe replace Vengeance with Blessed Signet, that way you could just use it to res the warrior whenever he dies instead of waiting the 30 seconds for vengeance to recharge, making the build even SLOWER.

raven slash · Dec 10, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

i just tried it in like 30mins ago and it works pretty well u can actually kill all with it and its no problem since the warr only has 2 keep 1 thing in mind check ur prot spirit and then bash on em, im gonna use this 2 farm ectos and other stuff u find in uw thx for making this guide/build and good work! / raven slash

Kryth · Dec 10, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

@ Koning : Sounds reasonable I guess, I'll try it, everyone loves final thrust

@ Mera Regila : That has been discussed check other pages of the thread if u like. And if you got factions use Resurrection Chant.